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Misplaced and/or Misdirected Extraverted Intuition (Ne)

mbtilistings:

By misplaced and misdirected, in this context, I’m referring to ways in which the function is conducted that obstruct one and/or others’ wellbeing and growth. Some instances may be within what would be considered as ‘unhealthy’ and ‘toxic’. The following are only a few of the ways in which the Extraverted Intuition (Ne) function of a person is misplaced and/or misdirected:

- Blowing matters out of proportion; exaggerations have their time and place for worthwhile effects and can be quite comical and illustrative, but it’s a different case when something important is at stake.
- Taking matters out of context; finding similitudes between differing areas can be clever and even brilliantly illuminating as long as it retains veracity or is at least made clear that fiction is heavily at play.
- Insensibly filling the gaps; guesses and approximations can push us to discover, to find out what is missing and what else is or could be there, but there isn’t always an invitation to throw in whatever we can think of.
- Changing and believing versions significantly removed from reality; seeing beyond what is apparent and searching for alternate ways to look at things can be honorable and admirable, but it can also be disastrous when done without sense.
- Emphasizing possibilities to the detriment of positive potential; becoming enthusiastic and/or cautious of what might be may serve growth and more, but mindfulness and restraint may be required to bring forth and protect the better of it.
- Extracting and highlighting pieces and patterns in a manner that distorts and/or debilitates; there’s much to everything and what’s selected from it can greatly, for better and/or for worse, impact things.
- Repeatedly going in circles and/or attempting to follow too many tangents at once; broadening and revising perspectives aids clarity and grants wisdom, but some amount of focus and direction may be necessary for this to be fruitful.
- Overwhelming to exhaustion and suffocation; being quick-witted and bursting with ideas is a valuable talent that can be relieving and enlivening if it leaves room for and helps breathe.
- Sacrificing depth and quality for the sake of multitasking; sometimes slowing the pace and committing to only a handful of tasks can be more productive and fulfilling.
- Selfish and obsessive fascination and discussion of subjects; being curious and exchanging knowledge can be rewarding for everyone involved if reasonable boundaries and privacy are respected.

You may recognize one or more of these in the use of Extraverted Intuition (Ne), from a smaller to a larger degree. Once you become aware of these, you’re more able to replace and redirect this function in more positive and constructive ways.

Really quick typing

mbtiguy:

There are so many other factors to visually typing people than what I’m about to list but these are pretty consistent

Fe dom: proportional warmth/openness in eyes and mouth

Se dom: extremely present looking, looks natural wherever they are

Te dom: constraint in eyes and smile; a little uncomfortable looking

Ni dom: distant eyes, late/awkward smile

Ti dom: critical stare, tight lipped

Fi dom: glossy eyes, in some sort of personal bubble

Ne dom: flitting eyes, erratic expressions

Si dom: level stare, restraint in posture

MBTI PSA

fuliajulia:

All that “Be Yourself” bullshit is introverted feeler propaganda.

MBTI types as Wikihow Articles

Misplaced and/or Misdirected Introverted Thinking (Ti)

mbtilistings:

By misplaced and misdirected, in this context, I’m referring to ways in which the function is conducted that obstruct one and/or others’ wellbeing and growth. Some instances may be within what would be considered as ‘unhealthy’ and ‘toxic’. The following are only a few of the ways in which the Introverted Thinking (Ti) function of a person is misplaced and/or misdirected:

- Crippling perfectionism; having high standards and aiming to be and do well with them can be great as long as it’s not paralyzing and keeping from making the necessary ‘mistakes’ to change and improve where it’s needed.
- Senseless fault-finding and nit-picking; focusing too much on what is wrong and losing sight of what is right (or highlighting what is wrong for no good reason and more often than necessary) can be both harmful and stagnating.
- Endless questioning; questioning is important and recommendable to find and create solid foundations and constructs, but if it keeps going incessantly, it can needlessly break or impair the solidity of things.
- Endless hypothesizing; hypothesizing is important and recommendable to come up with new ways to look at things and fill the gaps, but if it keeps going incessantly, it can leave no room for the facts and how things are truly like.
- Destructive and unproductive battle of wits; intellectual conflict may form doorways to exploration and clarifications, but if there’s too much emphasis on proving one’s intellectual superiority and another’s intellectual inferiority, many opportunities to learn will be lost.
- Insensitive and disrespectful prodding; it’s one thing to take interest in another person and participate in light teasing to get them to open up about matters, and it’s another to be pervasively insistent on getting someone to share about themselves (by pushing buttons and more) when they don’t want, need nor have to.
- Dismantling and reducing to bare minimum; in exaggerated efforts to be “detached” and “impartial,” stripping objects and subjects to the point where they lose their meaning and significance.
- Overvaluing intelligence and logic; believing intelligence and logic (in self and in others) are all that count and having little to no patience or appreciation for anything else not only lacks compassion - but also leads to a distorted and incomplete worldview.
- Severe distrust and negativity; not that being happy-go-lucky is always that much better, but many worthwhile people and experiences can be missed (or even tainted) if there’s a strong predisposition to think the worst of them.
- Projection; assuming they understand others when, in reality, they’re only attributing their own motives and intentions to others.

You may recognize one or more of these in the use of Introverted Thinking (Ti), from a smaller to a larger degree. Once you become aware of these, you’re more able to replace and redirect this function in more positive and constructive ways.

Setting Aesthetics for the Types

limdalamdalomda:

Based on people I know, stereotypes, and cognitive functions.

ENTP: A comic book store. The International Space Station. Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park.
INTP: A museum at night. The Space Needle in Seattle. A telescope on an apartment rooftop.
ENTJ: A game of chess in the park. Pike’s Peak. The head of a long dining table at Thanksgiving.
INTJ: Physics and chemistry laboratories. Secret passageways in old buildings. A sealed vault.
ENFP: A poetry slam. Ancient Aztec ruins. A room full of decorative, metal-framed mirrors.
INFP: A window seat in a library. A small countryside chapel with stained glass windows. A canopy bed in a cluttered bedroom.
ENFJ: Making snow angels in a park. A birthday party with lots of balloons. A pay-per-view telescope at the beach.
INFJ: The Notre Dame Cathedral. Cloud watching on a grassy knoll. Watching the roe deer in the Hallerbos forest in Belgium.
ESTP: An arcade. Hang gliding over the Grand Canyon. Labeling arteries in a cadaver lab.
ISTP: On a motorcycle in the city at night. Sheer cliffs with waterfalls. Jigsaw puzzles by the fireplace.
ESTJ: The labyrinth of Versailles. Rehearsing in an empty auditorium. The top of the Statue of Liberty.
ISTJ: A subway station early in the morning. The archives of the Library of Congress. A well-worn path through twisted woods.
ESFP: Snorkeling at a coral reef. Fashion week in New York. A performance of Shakespeare at The Globe Theater.
ISFP: Botanical gardens. A blanket fort in the attic. The Santa Maria Cathedral in Florence, Italy.
ESFJ: A picnic in a park with kites. A bustling marketplace with fresh food and flowers. Feeding lorikeets at an aviary.
ISFJ: A petting zoo with baby goats. A meadow of wildflowers as far as the eye can see. Studying at a familiar coffee shop with a house band.

Extraverted Feeling (Fe) vs. Introverted Feeling (Fi)

highonmbti:

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Both Fe and Fi make decisions using criteria related to people (e.g. emotions, group dynamics, identity concept, etc). However, the difference between them boils down to this: when making decisions, Fe uses the external world as a reference, while Fi references its internal world.

What does this mean? 

Fe: Since Fe is oriented toward the external world, it is concerned primarily with its relationship with others. Healthy Fe is naturally concerned with harmony, cooperation, sharing, and group dynamics. This doesn’t mean that Fe is identity-less or gandhi-like per say, it just means that the primary factor it considers in its decision making is other people (in a good or bad way). Also, since it is oriented outward, high Fe users tend to be more comfortable or inclined to display their emotions outwardly.

Fi: Since Fi is oriented toward the internal world, it is concerned primarily with its relationship with the self. Healthy Fi is concerned with personal values, introspection, and inner harmony. This doesn’t mean that Fi is selfish necessarily, because selflessness could be one of Fi’s chosen values. Fi users can be very concerned with how their actions affect other people, but their concern would stem from a deeply held belief one should treat people kindly. Also, since Fi is oriented inward, high Fi users tend to be more guarded about showing their emotions to others.  

Here are some further comparisons: 

Fe believes morality is objective, while Fi believes it is subjective.

Fe seeks harmony, while Fi seeks authenticity.

Fe talks about emotions to understand them, while Fi talks about emotions to validate them.

Fe asks “how will others react?”, while Fi asks “what feels right to me?”.

Fe empathizes by feeling the emotions of others, while Fi does so by relating to other’s emotions.

Fe is often perceived as “fake”, while Fi is perceived as “selfish.”

Fe is interpersonal, Fi is intrapersonal.

Fe is emotionally expressive, Fi is emotionally intense.

Fe longs to be accepted, while Fi longs to be understood.

Unhealthy Fe is manipulative or inconsiderate, while unhealthy Fi is stubborn or narcissistic.

Inferior Fe fears offending others accidentally, while inferior Fi fears being held back by emotion.


Fe users: ESFJ, ENFJ, ISFJ, INFJ (higher), ESTP, ENTP, ISTP, INTP (lower)

Fi users: ISFP, INFP, ESFP, ENFP (higher), ISTJ, INTJ, ESTJ, ENTJ types (lower)

Inert vs. Contact Subtype in a Nutshell

kendrixtermina:

I felt this is useful information that should be more known, so I decided try to dessiminate it myself. 

Guardians

ISTJ:

ISTJ-Si: Courteous, professional, appreciator of comforts, lowkey individualistic

ISTJ-Te: Industrious, severe, impatient, very resourceful within their area of expertise

The latter is apparently rarer and occassionally mistypes as INTJ. I presume the former’s orientation toward comforts can completely turn around/express itself differently depending on enneagram.

ISFJ:

ISFJ-Si: Measured, considerate, unhurried, mildly inquisitive Can be artsy.  

ISFJ-Fe: Lively, friendly, upbeat, sociable, tiny bit cheeky. 

Basically elegant vs adorable. 

ESTJ:

ESTJ-Te: Serious, straightforward, more taciturn, courageous; Can be strict or have no chill 

ESTJ-Si: Enthusiastic, sociable, hospitable, a lot more expressive, does have chill but can be pushy

The stereotype is ovsly more inspired by the former;  The descriptions of the former sound somewhat unflattering, but theoretically, they’d have better acess to their Ne, so there’s that. 

ESFJ:

ESFJ-Fe: Very expressive & social but also temperamental,  wears more “attractive” clothes, can be a bit scattered, opinionated 

ESFJ-Si: More plain but also more practical & dilligent; Lively, charming and helpful, can tend to overwork themselves

The popular stereotype is the former, the descriptions on internet profiles more the latter.

Artisans

ESFP:

ESFP-Se: Proactive, energetic, confident, assertive, can be dramatic, leader material

ESFP-Fi: Charming, team worker, pragmatist, likes having the newest & shiniest toys, not quite as risk-taking

The stereotype is ostensibly more based on the latter. More ppl should remember the former exists before declaring ambiguous cases as ESTP or ENFP.

ESTP:

ESTP-Se: Basically the commonly known “flashy clever bastard” version; Forget the “clever” part at your own risk. Snarky, charming & strong-willed with a soft spot for their favorite people

ESTP-Ti: Much more low-key in clothing & demeanor, collected, suspicious & skeptical,  good with business stuff, cunning behind-the-scenes-y person but notices everything that happens around them

The latter could be mistaken for introvert, or even an intuitive if someone’s going purely by stereotypes. Chances are they’ll have more pronounced Ti-ish speech patterns & expressions. 

ISFP:

ISFP-Fi: modest, gentle, caring, well-mannered, sensitive, can be shy & dislikes to impose, but firm & critical about principles, very perceptive of ppl’s behavior 

ISFP-Se: Tough, fortright, blunt, venturesome and vigilant and adaptable, impressive death glare.

Gentle Flower Child vs. fierce independent adventurer. Descriptions are usually one or the other, leaving at least one half of them miffed. The former can be mistaken for ISFJ, the latter for an extrovert. 

ISTP:

ISTP-Ti: Very discerning & autonomous, likes some degree of preparation, stoic & preseverant, modest & unpretentious but can also be friendly & attentive

ISTP-Se: More restless, gusty & impulsive, though more outwardly courteous & communicative as well, perhaps more sportsy & stylish, bit more sociable

All the “badass vigilante” or “hardcore hobby person” stereotypes sort of reference the former. The latter seems like that stereotypical super chill male friend. (or tomboyish soccer girl.)

(Boy, does socionics as a whole ever have a crush on SPs. If you’re tired of descriptions that were obviously written by NPs, read these ones.)

Diplomats

ENFP:

ENFP-Ne: Super dreamy & outwardly carefree, frequently bookish, maybe a bit more scattered, can alternate between shy & cheerful, chill & energetic, more colorful clothes, forgiving (to an extent), tries to be friendly & understanding toward everybody

ENFP-Fi: Independent, original & artsy. Prefers to work directly with people, (unlike the other subtype), determined clever & purposeful, energetic & sociable, earthy & comfy but still original clothes. Adventurous, romantic, maybe a tad self-critical

The stereotype seems based on the latter. I’ve read somewhere that the former can have sciencey inclinations, and maybe be closer to ENTPs in some respects, though the presence of Fi ultimately makes for a marked difference. 

INFP:

INFP-Fi: Polite, quiet, firm, very serious, very introvertey; Insightful but private about it. Clothing can be minimalistic or reflect inner thoughts somehow (music subculture etc.)

INFP-Ne: Reserved in public but diplomatic & mentor-like in private, bit more openly friendly or dreamy, tends to have a mischievous sense of humor in the manner of other NPs. Modest & unassuming clothes. 

The usual stereotype is very specifically a sx/sp 4w5 base subtype individual, and not a particularly well-adjusted one at that. 

ENFJ-Fe: More moody/passionate, dramatic or flashy, also decisive & a good speaker, very initiative & inclined to solve other’s problems with advice, but can be perceived meddlesome, wants to be seen as serious & respectable and might agonize over responsibility.

ENFJ-Ni: More reflective, deliberate/purposeful, very sociable in a inquisitive sort of way, boundless interest in people, eloquent & good at “selling” their ideas & beliefs or describing feelings in a detailed distinctive manner, can have a more latent kind of temper

“Hero” vs. “Teacher”. Stereotype wise I can’t so much discern a general tendency. Interestingly & perhaps amusingly, the descriptions suggest either variety is very creative with their clothing. 

INFJ:

INFJ-Ni: Quiet, dreamy & contemplative, romantic & melancholic, significantly more withdrawn & observer-like

INFJ-Fe: Artistic & charming, more socially involved, very persuasive & excellent at picking up & shifting the mood around them, can come off somewhat bohemian & have surprisingly good crisis reactions.

The former can mistake themselves for NTPs or INFPs, the latter could be confused with extroverts.

Rationals

ENTJ:

ENTJ-Te: Less expressive, decisive & forward  despite a tendency to think & reflect, quick to abruptly spring into action, serious & dignified, persistent & tenacious, not that extroverted, values honesty, bit more pragmatic & cautious 

ENTJ-Ni: Bold & charming with a well-developed sense of humor, good sense for opportunities, naturally constructs plans that are far-reaching yet concrete, bit wider interests, ponders the big questions

I wonder how this correlates with wether they’re 8s, 3s or 1s.

INTJ:

INTJ-Ni: Way more lowkey in terms of ambitions, spends much time with contemplation & reading, calm, reserved & distanced, can be grumbly, reserved lifestyle, small & stable circle of friends, well-developed imagination, less confident

INTJ-Te: Ambitious, tries to improve on/ methodical about everything, dislikes inefficiency, good at forming wide circle business connections, tries to be knowledgeable on a variety of issues & shows creativity in practical matters

Again, here the stereotype is pretty specifically a Te-subtype 5w6, making it a bit harder to identify the base subtype ones, even more so if they’re one of the rarer enneagram combinations. 

ENTP:

ENTP-Ne: Very curious about all manner of unusual topics, has a certain childlike naivity & helpfulness about them, loves to share exciting discoveries with others, tends to be more scattered but can be thorough when they find something they’re truly passionate about

ENTP-Ti: More savy & self-assured, but can come off sharp & inconsiderate at times. Can be impatient. Vigorous, strategic Debater, good a turning vague ideas into workable plans, could be leader material

The “trololol” Stereotype seems like an exaggeration of the latter variety. The former seems almost too cute to exist but I think I’ve encountered a few examples. 

And last but not least: INTP!

INTP-Ti: Calm, serious & uncompromising, remains silent and austere if uninterested, correct, proper & strict, dislikes leghty discourse.  Erudite & specialized, frequently math-y, more persistent, hard-working & meticulous

INTP-Ne: More into breadth of knowledge, creative, soft, funny & excitable when in the right mood but also a lot more scattered & procrastinatey, rarely as absolute in statements, but very much in action,  can be stuborn.

The former seems more represented in descriptions whereas the latter seems more frequent on tumblr. I am an example of this… (^^°)

Incidentally, this (along with enneagram-related variations) probably contributes to varying degrees/shadings of introversion vs extroversion (”social introverts”, “introspective extroverts”, introverts who present with fairly forward personalities in private etc.) 

You can do further reading here or here  to determine which one you or your aquaintances are, it gets pretty detailed complete with body language. Also, here’s some theory behind it; 

The Tl;Dr of that article is  (as far as I get it) basically that for brain science reasons, there’s either a positive or negative feedback reaction when you use your 1st 2 functions, resulting in a slight emphasis of all other odd- or even numbered functions, and that this is why there is such a thing as an unusually sciencey ENFP, also why some ppl might actually be better at their role function than their tertiary. (For what little good that does.) 

Feel free to tag/post which one you are or something.

As usual corrections & additions by actual experts are always appreciated. 

Inferior Fe Subtypes

mbti-info:

1) the confidently eccentric inferior Fe: You maybe used to care what people think about you, but you don’t anymore. And even if you did, they probably wouldn’t like you anyway. You might as well be as weird as you want. Social skills- why bother.

2) the quintessential nerd/gamer/goth/anime freak/computer geek: A lot of people consider themselves to be these things, but for you it’s an identity and a way of fitting in to compensate for not being able to fit in with normal people. You’ve found your niche, and you see no need to get out of your comfort zone. Social skills? I’ll socialize with people like me.

3) the sociopath: Fe? Fi? Who needs feeling? Feeling is for the weak. Morals and ethics are completely irrelevant. All I need is cold, calculated logic, and with it I will rule the world.

4) the brainiac philosopher: Knowledge is everything. Thinking is your hobby. You have an argument for everything, and will argue with anyone at any time over anything at all. You will frequently play the devil’s advocate and even argue something you don’t believe just to be a smart ass. Social skills are irrelevant, since most people aren’t intelligent enough to have a conversation with anyway. It’s not that you use Fe inappropriately perse, you just kind of ignore it in favor of thinking about how smart you are. Now if only you could take to heart what Socrates said about the wise man knowing that he knows nothing…

5) the stalker inferior Fe: Inside you don’t really think anyone should like you, and you’ve probably had no friends for most of your life. So if someone shows any interest in you, you latch onto them like a leech. They are your New Best Friend or your love obsession. You secretly crave attention and human connection so much that it’s like a drug, and you think if this person were to leave you, you wouldn’t find anyone else who likes you for a long time; so this person must be special, since they actually pay attention to you. Try raising your self esteem, and getting out of your comfort zone to develop some social skills.

6) the emotional inferior Fe: You are very concerned with what people think of you, and are sensitive to rejection. In fact, you are sensitive to a lot of things. You don’t really know how to deal with emotions, and they burst out of you inappropriately. You often get mistaken for a feeling type. You really want people to like you. You’re trying to develop social skills, but you overcompensate.

7) the righteously indignant inferior Fe: You’ve been treated unfairly, and you’re going to say something about it. So have your peers, and you will defend them. In fact, you are a member of several oppressed minorities. You see it as your job to fight societal injustice and live as uniquely as you want. You are very rebellious and argumentative, and kind of naively idealistic. You also sometimes get mistaken for a feeling type. You have developed Fe in service to your beliefs, but your social skills are variable.

8) the pothead: I dunno, man. It’s all good. Life is mysterious and complex. Take it easy. Get laid. Your Fe doesn’t really cause you problems, but you’ve kind of dulled your Ti with all the pot you’ve smoked. Which can turn out to be a good thing, because you’ve learned to relax and not over think everything. You actually seem human. You probably have excellent social skills.

9) the cute and perky inferior Fe: You happen to have a charming personality and a great sense of humor. You like people, and want to be popular. You are mostly cute because of your lack of social skills. Maybe when you were younger people used to make fun of you, but you would always just laugh along with them, and pretty soon they liked you. When you make a social blunder, you do it in a cute and funny way. After all, taking life seriously leads to suffering. Occasionally you are mistaken for an extrovert, even though you might actually be very shy. Most people like you.

10) the healthy and functional, well developed inferior Fe: You have learned how to develop your Fe over the years. You can convince most people that you are actually normal. You have a lot of friends, and most people like you. You’ve learned how to balance your intellect with your intuition, and are in touch with your emotions. You are able to effectively use whichever judging function a situation calls for. You have a comfortable sense of values and ethics, and under your detached exterior, you have a heart. Good job!

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Te-Fi vs. Ti-Fe

infj-mbti:

Te: It’s not always important to understand all the intricate details of a situation in order to gain a sense of logic or rationality. It’s more important to take action than to spend too much time asking questions. Logic is a fairly universally defined concept; you can see if a plan is efficient, a system works, data/facts support a statement, etc. The outcome is the most important concept of logic, and it is an objective measurement. 

Fi: However, it is important to recognize the subjectivity involved in morality. In fact, morality is a made-up concept created by humans and morals are inherently illogical. The most important part of moral values is the process of personal experience and questioning that goes along with it. We can’t just accept moral laws without personally questioning them and putting them into context of our own lives and beliefs. 

OR

Ti: The most important part of logic is the internal process of reasoning for each individual. Exercising our intellect, questioning the rationality of a process, and being able to understand why we think certain things are logical or not is extremely important. We can’t just accept logic for how it appears on the surface, we have to personally understand why something makes sense. Everyone’s internal process of arriving at an answer is different. 

Fe: Fundamentally, humans have values in order to affect their outward and societal interactions. At the end of the day, it is more important how we treat each other and the people we decide to be than our internal debate about morality. There are certain qualities that we as humans have recognized and valued (ex: kindness, altruism, honesty) because there is a certain universality in morality. It would be pointless to debate the concept of morality and never act in a moral way, that is the most important outcome of the situation. 

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